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June 01, 2010

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Dorothy P

Frank I'm interested to see this article and what it says about 'religionless Christianty'. I wonder if its possible to have Christianity without religion, to separate the two. While i don't have a difficulty with the idea of wanting/trying to live a life that "loves mercy, seeks justice and walks humbly" I sigh. These days it seems i have a kind of allergy to the term "Christianity" because for me it to carry overtones of "them" and "us"-ness of a particular normative view that is excluding/exclusive/superior (even as it proposes we bring people to its truth and way of life). I wonder if it is possible to have discipleship/community belonging without a sense of superiority and pride of belonging to something "special" .... Is it then possible "to walk humbly". Do these misgivings make sense to you. I don't know the answers but I do wonder. I will be interested to read the article. Dorothy

Frank Rees

I agree with you Dorothy.
I have always questioned those who set religions on one side and Christianity on the other. As if Christianity is somehow 'pure' or free from whatever it is they or we think we mean by 'religion'—usually something negative. It's a bit more complicated than that.
My sense is that we need to clarify these negative uses of the term, as opposed to a fairly descriptive usage. In a purely descriptive sense, of course Christianity is a religion.
Then if we sort out whatever it is we find irksome about 'religion', the question is whether any of the religions is or can ever be free of that.
The Bible uses the term 'true religion' at times, clearly recognizing false or idolatrous tendencies or possibilities. This is a special theme in the letter of James. And he (James) sees true religion as something at least to be committed to, even if we will always perhaps fall short of it.
So if, as I argue in my paper (will send you a draft ...) we focus on the ethical and life-style commitments which Bonhoeffer identifies as discipleship, we then have to ask whether these can be followed without any 'religion' elements in the negative sense, or does Bonhoeffer mean without any of the 'descriptive' sense of religion.
It all depends on what we mean by, and in which sense we are using the term, 'religion'. I am intrigued to research further into what Bonhoeffer meant by it.

Dorothy P

Thanks Frank, will look forward to reading your article. Think perhaps I need to know more of what Bonhoeffer was saying. I respect the fact that his theology was birthed from (or perhaps matured in) substantial physical, emotional & existential challenge. So often i think I would like to sit such people down in the context of our world to hear them further develop their theology in our contexts ... sigh! perhaps that is sheer laziness on my part and they have done enough to make sense of their own worlds: i guess that is our work to do.

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